Some of the most contentious historical pvp battles in Latos M-7 started because players were battling over mines on the docks in Latos M-7. When the change came, that forbid players from docking with weapons in flight, people mostly stopped this activity.

A few players still do this occasionally, but it is more time consuming/grindy to pull off. A player either has reload in another station in Latos, or reload off of a capital ship.

There are reasons, both defensive and offensive for mining the docks. I propose that since the Latos M-7 station is a semi secret station, with zero NFZ, that docking be allowed again with mines in flight at this single station.

Negatives: Rules won't be universal. Potential for station camping/griefing.

Positives: tit for tat epic mine wars will be back. M-7 will again be a powder keg.

+1 the mine battles at M7 were a blast

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Sounds like fun.

-1. Mine wars are fine, but let's have them somewhere else. M7 is too important for functions apart from pvp. Odia M14 would be a good choice, and removing the guards and NFZ from that station would be a plus. In fact, remove them from all Corvus stations. Let's really open up Corvus space.

-1 Let's have an odia m14 type of weak strike force in a small NFZ.

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Mines really are unfun to use atm, u cant mine anywhere cuz they just get shot by npcs before a player can fly into em

-1 Although a mine war would sound intereeting, not M7. There would be an endless field of mines placed in front of the lower undock port where you could never get a replacement capship out unscathed. Corvus stations, sure whatever but not the only place you can launch a cap from.

What was the reason this was originally disabled for? It sounds like interesting player created content. I'm leaning no due to possible abuse scenarios. I'm fine with restricting access for the duration of a conflict, but I could see a strong enough group using it in a way to control other players access. I assume free access was intended since it isn't part of the conquerable group.

M7 is too important for functions apart from pvp.

It is a clandestine grey station where unlicensed generic player copies of capital ships are built. Sure it is important, but it should not be a magic safe haven. Otherwise, there would be a nfz and station guards.

Let's have an odia m14 type of weak strike force in a small NFZ.

If you want to make that suggestion, post it. Otherwise leave it out of here. One suggestion per thread.

Mines really are unfun to use atm, u cant mine anywhere cuz they just get shot by npcs before a player can fly into em

There are no NPCs normally in Latos M-7. So this would not be an issue.

ere would be an endless field of mines placed in front of the lower undock port where you could never get a replacement capship out unscathed.

Mines rarely damage capital ships. In fact, capital ships are normally used to clear mine fields.

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We used to be able to put out a defensive mine field when moving in expensive parts. The restriction made this much more difficult. Too many replies in this thread are focusing on the offensive part, and they are forgetting that mines are a great defensive tool. A solo pilot could set up a field and have a bit more safety for an hour.

-1 You can still place mines, just can't dock. Reload in a capship or another station. This shouldn't be too easy or we go back to mines at each dock to harass newer players.

You can still place mines, just can't dock. Reload in a capship or another station. This shouldn't be too easy or we go back to mines at each dock to harass newer players.

Newer players are not going to get harassed in a sector designed for endgame content.

Solo player might not have a capital ship. If a solo player wishes to deploy a defensive mine field, they are unable to do so quickly, putting them an unnecessary disadvantage.

New players would suffer hard if this change will be made.
As 99% of them would get pissed off and quit after getting mineganked over and over for free kills, while all they would want to do is just equip addons they dont have licenses for, like swarms to a rag.
I just dont see any point in this suggestion, as all it would achieve is pissing off a lot of players, newbies and vets alike.
This is only advantageous for griefers wanting free kills from helpless newbies. And shooting dozens of mines without being able to target them would just be very annoying to do, just so you can dock without getting basically vaporised.
Also, not mentioning the fact that you could nearly instantly deshield/kill capships for again, easy kills by clumping them up in the docks, while having zero chance of dealing with it.
The change what prevents spamming mines and just sitting on the station and waiting was made because of a valid reason, not for "just because"
As everything devs do, has a valid reason behind it. They decide what to do.

New players would suffer hard if this change will be made.
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This is only advantageous for griefers wanting free kills from helpless newbies.



This is about a single clandestine grey station. New players will not have an issue. New pilots should be in nation space.

This is also about solo pilots (without capships) being able to defend themselves more effectively.

+1 I’m good with this, we are talking about m7. It used to be nearly impossible to find without a reactor (especially when you had ZERO clue what you were doing being new and stuff) before the devs changed it first of all it was seen as the great station of m7 and was treated as such you didn’t go there unless you had business there and the effort it took to create those reactors just to be able to find the station should be considered in future updates and I believe it should stay a place where things will happen wether you like it or not and if you go there expect to earn your spot in end game content. This is grey, we are talking about a place where the screen literally pops up with the saying this is the edge of nation space, if you enter grey don’t expect to survive.

-1 this is the one station that should be protected from mines in general. We want more people especially noobs to come here and try building a capship. Probably should make it where you can't dock anywhere while a mine is in m7.

We want more people especially noobs to come here and try building a capship.

M7 is not a noob station. Dau L-10 is. Sol II H-13 is. Itan J-11 is. Latos M-7 is NOT on the map because it is used for late game activities by experienced pilots. Don't be worrying about new players in a sector where they have no reason to be.

Probably should make it where you can't dock anywhere while a mine is in m7.

One suggestion per thread please. But why would mines in flight in M7 keep people from docking everywhere? that doesn't make sense.

+1 VO is currently too safe. I don't think new players wanting late-game content is a valid reason to limit the potential for player conflict.

I am still not supporting this idea... like at all.
Not until there is an at least 10 second invulnerability time after undocking. What kinda defeats the purpose of what is suggested here.
New players should not be forced to stay in nation space in any way. A lot of newbs do exactly what I just said above. They take the risks, but i dont think latos m7 should be an end game content only station.
Also, mines dont do anything in "self defense". If you are docked, all those mines do is just annoy players. Thats it.
But to ask the question, what benefits this would have to the playerbase?
Over just mass-farming players for kills, even veterans who just want to equip addons they cannot get elsewhere for some reason.
VO isnt safe. Never was. Never will be. But there should be a limit on how much you can bully players. As too much of it can make lots of players to ragequit, especially newbs who just want to have fun amd getting started in game, with better addons than what they have at their level. I did this a lot.
So again, what positives this would have for everyone, not just players who are only here to piss off others?
Tell me, maybe i will think about this again.
But until then, dont expect me to support anything what would piss off like 80% of the playerbase.