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Dec 04, 2005 Lord Q link
The recent SKV blockade of Ukari O-13 has raised many issues regarding the legality of piracy, and the politics of war. But what was the real reason for this blockade? The SKV say the blockade was to “disrupt the serco trade routs to unmonitored space” but the CDC was able to gather this evedence that says otherwise.

http://homepage.mac.com/lord_q/PhotoAlbum3.html

While the SKV pilots were conversing casualy with a SoR member who entered the sector several convoys passed unmolested through the blockade. Now on the other hand Contrary to the official statement that no harm would come to those who did not attempt to enter Serco teritory, Several members of the blockade fired on and destroyed a number of UIT vessils, regardless of their intention.

For more information regarding the SKV Blockade contact M’at
Dec 04, 2005 Ghost link
I have a better idea. For more information on the SKV blockade, contact SKV.

The action in Ukari O-13 is a military blockade on Serco space. No ships carrying weapons materials are allowed into Serco space. UIT pilots trading in Ukari are hailed and asked their destination. If they are heading to Serco space, they are asked to have their cargo verified so that it is clearly not weapons parts. Traders are then provided an SKV escort through Ukari space.

An SKV escort that will also help protect from hive attacks and pirate raids.

To verify this, contact UIT traders Erik C. and XSheppoX. They both complied with all instructions and passed unharmed. Both were given an escort to their respective destonations. Note: Traders are allowed to pass into Serco space, just not carrying weapons parts. Erik C. can attest to this.

The only UIT ships that were fired upon were those that did not respond to multiple hails and proceeded to attempt to run the blockade without escort or cargo verification. There are several UIT traders that can attest to this.

As to the SoR representative: This person whom this press report so conveniently neglects to mention by name was in fact relayer, a guide. SKV was speaking to said guide at the time as in fact a guide and not a representative of SoR. The convoys that passed "unmolested" did so for two reasons:

One: SKV members were conversing with a guide.
Two: SKV is not in Ukari space to molest convoys, only to keep weapons parts out of Serco space. Trading within Ukari is still entirely possible.

Skygge Vakter is an Itani offensive task force designed with the purpose of engaging the Serco in a war effort, which is exactly what this is. A military blockade of enemy space. Neither SKV nor the Itani nation have any conflict with the UIT. We look forward to many continued years of mutual support. Lord Q seems to think his evidence suggests something other than a blockade of Serco space. I ask you this, what else would we be doing? We are not pirates. Trading is still allowed, just restricted from carrying weapons parts into Serco space. Only those who refuse to respond to repeated hails are fired upon. Our conflict is with the Serco alone. Suggestions that SKV has any intention other than a blockade of the Serco military production capabilities are ludicrous.

Furthermore, SKV kindly requests that further propaganda be kept off of the message boards unless you're sure you have all of the facts. Accusations such as "corrupt" are heavy words and should not be used unless you have properly researched the situation.

The Itani people hope to continue our peaceful trade agreement with the UIT for many years to come.

End Transmission.
Dec 04, 2005 Lord Q link
i was there, and it seemed that just sitting on the un blockaded side of the womehole warented a hail-less attack, not to mention another subsequent attack while i was sitting motonless behinde the womehole, and after i had anounced that i had no intention on traveling to serco space. It shoudl also be noted that i receved no warnings to discourage my presence (except for a single hail to which i responded promptly).

additionaly: if you ere blockading Serco Teratory than why were you on the oposite side of the system from the womehole to Serco space? sure, man-power limitations can explain that to sme degree, but it does seem more likely that this is just a vigilantee tole-arragement. perhaps if you could present a letter of marqu from the Itani government...

and sure you could contact the SKV for more information, but you will get the same story their PR department has been giving everyone. if however you want evedence that directly controdicts that story, contact M'at.

-M'at

PS. the link has been posted
Dec 04, 2005 Shapenaji link
M'at defeated!

FLAWLESS VICTORY!
Dec 04, 2005 Ghost link
We're SKV. We're a war squadron. An Itani Task Force put together to combat the Serco. We don't have a PR department.

As to your personal being fired at, I have spoken with the pilot who fired at you and he claims you provoked him. I also have a pilot of my own who was shot down by a pilot that shall remain nameless who was flying with you. This may have created some confusion as to your intentions in the area. However I can confidently state that all other UIT members experienced non-hostile treatment and had no problem continuing their trading. Your experience was unique in its situation and I apologize for it whole heatedly if you did not intend any offence.

I have also noticed you've neglected to say anything about my announcement to you when you were standing by taking those pictures. I believe I informed you then that UIT pilots not transporting arms to Serco space would not be fired upon. You proceeded to ignore me, but remained in the sector for a while and were not fired upon by any SKV member. The fact that your being fired upon was a unique experience and apparently a misunderstanding is futher supported by the fact that upon returning to the area to take those pictures, you were not fired upon.

As to your photos, I have already addresed those in my previous statement. I will reiterate as it seems you must have missed that in my original post. SKV was speaking to Relayer as a guide, not as a member of SoR. It is well known that Relayer is a guide. You can contact her yourself if you wish to confirm this.

I don't understand what you are insinuating that we are doing here. I have stated SKV's intentions. You claim we're there for other reasons. Your accusations of a "vigilante-toll arangement" are ill founded due to the fact that we do not collect tolls of any sort. Traders are not required to pay anything or give up cargo, only to show us their cargo if they are traveling to Serco space. We even provide escorts for trading within Ukari.

I have stated and re-stated this, as long as you are not carrying weapons materials to Serco space, your trading will not be disrupted. If you do not believe we are there to blockade Serco space, I am curious as to what exactly you suggest we are doing. There is no benefit for SKV being in Ukari other than the blockade of supplies to Serco space.

End Transmission.
Dec 04, 2005 Lord Q link
"I believe I informed you then that UIT pilots not transporting arms to Serco space would not be fired upon. You proceeded to ignore me, but remained in the sector for a while and were not fired upon by any SKV member."

i entered the sector several times, and after the first (at that time i was unaware of a blockade) i left after the fist sine of an attempt to intercept my vessil. later i was fired on and destroyed without warning on the far side of the WH, when i confronted the pilot later he claimed i had "provoked him plenty" (that is extreemly unlikely as during all my travels into O-13 i was armed soly with mines)

and i was in fact destroyed by one of your members while sitting put and taking pictures. This was after i responded to your hail by saying that i wasn't heading to Serco space, and that i am in fact KOS with the Serco Dominion.

as for this:
"I also have a pilot of my own who was shot down by a pilot that shall remain nameless who was flying with you"

that is clearly inposable as i made no joint excursions into O-13. all my travels were solo. i can only surmise that you mean another member of CDC destroyed one of your blockaders. but gven my expierence with this blockade i highly doubt that he posed any real threat to your operation.

-M'at
Dec 04, 2005 jexkerome link
So SKV finally tired of being the nice and boring Itani Guild (specially since CoI now seems to be aiming for that niche) and went for piracy and ganking, who cares?

It's the CDC all over again, I tells ya!
Dec 04, 2005 Ghost link
Jexkerome: Your comments have no grounds and it seems no point. Your opinion is ill-founded and carries no weight. Only a person who is purposely choosing to remain oblivious to the purpose and actions of SKV could imply we have turned to piracy. I have no other defence against this accusation other than to simply state it is not true. If you actually have evidence of any SKV pilot partaking in piracy, report it to me and it will be dealt with.

In reference to the current issue:

He may have not been associated with you, but he entered and left the sector at the same time as you, thus arousing the confusion. Perhaps the pilot who fired on you believed you were attempting to run the blockade because you moved to jump out very quickly upon entering the sector. If you responded to a hail, it was to an individual and not to the Sector where we could all see your intentions. It is not recorded in my logs.

However, the fact that you publically offered your services over channel 100 to help pilots run the blockade was enough to cause us to be a bit more strict with you. This is in my logs.

Whether he posed a threat or not is irrelevant. An SKV pilot was shot down, this warrants concern.

[12/04/05 15:59:46] 00ff00<_Ghost_> "M'at" you are advised to leave
[12/04/05 15:59:53] 28b4f0[100]<Onadis Oshestia> tab makess me fly,ming.
[12/04/05 15:59:55] 28b4f0[100]<zontemuma> which is, by the way, a really smart sollution for solving the resource problem in mmrpg like this
[12/04/05 15:59:55] 28b4f0[100]<Joyce Sanders> After 100k, it's too slow, at least for me
[12/04/05 15:59:59] 00ff00<_Ghost_> we dont wish a conflict with the CDC
[12/04/05 15:59:59] 28b4f0[100]<Ronic Noctis> afk mining!
[12/04/05 16:00:04] 00ff00<_Ghost_> we are here to disrupt the serco
[12/04/05 16:00:09] Flight-Assist mode disabled.

This was announced in sector chat. If you replied, it was not to me, nor was it in the sector as no reply shows up in the logs. Once you did leave, you came back repeatedly, thus arousing our curiosity as to your intentions.

The following is the sector chat surrounding the events. Channel 100 chat has been omitted for clarity.

[12/04/05 16:03:45] 00ff00<_Ghost_> SKV does not wish a conflict with the UIT
[12/04/05 16:03:57] 00ff00<_Ghost_> we are here to disrupt the serco
[12/04/05 16:03:59] 00ff00<Pilot 13> i came here to find out what was going on
[12/04/05 16:04:22] 00ff00<_Ghost_> in order to disrupt supply lines, no ships must be permitted to pass
[12/04/05 16:04:33] 00ff00<Pilot 13> well im KOS serco
[12/04/05 16:04:48] 00ff00<_Ghost_> what are you up to in Ukari?
[12/04/05 16:04:48] 00ff00<Pilot 13> and if you read the forums at all i have never got along with SCAR
[12/04/05 16:05:07] Flight-Assist mode disabled.
[12/04/05 16:05:31] 00ff00<Pilot 13> actually id help kill the serco
[12/04/05 16:06:03] 00ff00<_Ghost_> what about you "M'at"
[12/04/05 16:06:16] 00ff00<M'at> i'd also be willing to help tyhe blocade, and forget the various recon shots i've take
[12/04/05 16:06:21] 00ff00<M'at> if i were payed
[12/04/05 16:06:59] 00ff00<_Ghost_> you may help if you wish, but SKV will not be providing payment
[12/04/05 16:07:06] 00ff00<_Ghost_> hold your fire zag
[12/04/05 16:07:13] 00ff00<Zag> ok
[12/04/05 16:07:22] 00ff00<Zag> on whom?
[12/04/05 16:07:27] 00ff00<_Ghost_> on UIT pilots
[12/04/05 16:07:35] 00ff00<Zag> ok7
[12/04/05 16:08:12] 00ff00<Bojan> yes?
[12/04/05 16:08:15] Flight-Assist mode enabled.
[12/04/05 16:09:03] 00ff00<Zag> bojan stop shooting p13 a mo
[12/04/05 16:09:11] 00ff00<Bojan> well he killed me afk
[12/04/05 16:09:13] 00ff00<_Ghost_> hold your fire on UIT pilots
[12/04/05 16:09:15] 00ff00<Pilot 13> i came here for a truce!
[12/04/05 16:09:17] 00ff00<Bojan> ok
[12/04/05 16:09:58] ffff00(group) [Ukari L-14] <Bojan> what does he want?
[12/04/05 16:10:26] ffff00(group) [Ukari M-5] <Jabberwock> his guild is at war with SCAR
[12/04/05 16:10:32] ffff00(group) [Ukari O-13] <_Ghost_> he wants to help the blockade, yeah he hates SCAR
[12/04/05 16:10:33] ffff00(group) [Ukari O-13] <Zag> that is true
[12/04/05 16:10:55] ffff00(group) [Ukari L-14] <Bojan> ok
[12/04/05 16:11:15] Flight-Assist mode disabled.
[12/04/05 16:11:53] 28b4f0[100]<M'at> if any pilots would like to hire an escort through the unlawful blocade of free soace contact M'at to discuss payment

As you can see, upon clarifying the situation, I issued the order to hold fire on the both of you. The latter part I was hoping to refrain from posting, but your persistance in this matter has left me no choice.

You can see clear evidence that M'at suggested I bribe him into getting rid of his photos and helping the blockade. Knowing that the photos were irrelevant as SKV is trying to hide nothing, I stated he could help if he wished but we would not be paying him. Upon my refusal to bribe him, he promptly exited the sector and offered his services publically to help run the blockade. This was statement enough of your intentions and you were further barred from passing the sector.

I will state one final time. SKV has no conflict with the UIT, we are here to blockade the Serco nation's military abilities. However, if you take M'at's path and publically announce that you will be helping pilots run the blockade, it is needless to say you will be fired upon. I will now list the terms of the blockade for all to see clearly so there is no confusion:

1. Trading is permitted in Ukari with an SKV escort. The escort will in turn provide traders with protection from hive and pirate attacks.

2. Trading into Serco space is permitted providing your cargo is verified not to have any weapons parts.

3. Upon entering the sector, UIT pilots will be issued a warning. If they continue without responding, this will be seen as an attempt to run the blockade and they will be fired upon.

4. Any UIT pilots assisting Serco or known to have assited the Serco war effort in the past will be issued a warning. If they do not respond to the warning they will be fired upon.

5. Serco pilots will be ordered to dump their cargo if any and leave Ukari.

As you can see, there is no need to try to run the blockade at all unless you are supplying weapons parts to Serco space.

End Transmission.
Dec 04, 2005 Lord Q link
i am a member of a mercinary guild, and in all fairness i did give you guys fist dibs. i was actualy requesting payment for the combat services. my alternate plan was to sell information about this blockade (hence why i offered to "forget" about the recon. when neither of those panned out i decided to continue to document the event, so that if anything interesting did hapen i would be ther eto see it.

and no i didn't reply to the first listed mesage, instead i left the sector (following your advice)

however as you can see i did reply to the other mesage and in further encounters i also replied to your mesages.

-M'at
Dec 04, 2005 Ghost link
Yes, you did. But once you have announced publically that you will be helping pilots run the blockade, I think you can see this puts you on bad terms with us.

[12/04/05 16:11:53] 28b4f0[100]<M'at> if any pilots would like to hire an escort through the unlawful blocade of free soace contact M'at to discuss payment

You can't announce to Channel 100 that you will be attempting to help pilots run the blockade and expect us not to fire upon you the next time we make contact.

The recon you offered to "forget about" for a price is worthless. It shows SKV conversing with a guide. Once again, you may clarify this with Relayer. SKV has nothing to hide, recon all you like. But once again, you can't expect us to sit in the blockade sector once you have offered to help pilots run the blockade. That's just not logical. The only thing SKV will attempt to prevent you from doing is running weapons parts to Serco space. Nothing more. I don't know how many more times I need to state this.

There is no reason to run the blockade unless you are carrying weapons parts to Serco space.
Dec 04, 2005 Lord Q link
at the time i made the offer it wasn't general knowlege that you were allowing non-weapons to be transported

besides is it realy wrong to cirumvent an illegal blockade?

and if you payed any attention to your own logs you should have realised that io actualy offered to "forget" about the recon before the conversation hapened. and therefore could not have been refering to the conversation with RelayR.

so ask yourself what else could i know about? DUN DUN DUN
Dec 04, 2005 Shapenaji link
FATALITY!
Dec 04, 2005 moldyman link
*sigh* I don't agree with the blockade at all, but it's true. I followed instructions and got through fine. -.-
Dec 04, 2005 Ghost link
Believe me, I have been asking myself... as there is nothing else to know about.

As to an "illegal blockade", you must not know much about warfare. This is a war. A blockade is an act of war. It's also illegal to kill people, but that happens in war all the time, as do blockades.

I have stated all I can about this issue and will refrain from posting anymore in this thread. I have stated the situation, I have stated the terms of the blockade and I have stated the reasons. If you have any issues, contact myself or Commander Bojan ingame.

The blockade stands.

End Transmission.
Dec 04, 2005 Dark Knight link
Are Itani traders allowed to pass through unimpeded?
Dec 04, 2005 icbm1987 link
Hmmm... can we get a list of what qualifies as military goods?
Ion Cores...
Plasma Cores...
Xirite Alloy...
Targeting systems...
Oxygen recyclers...
etc.

Aren't those the most profitable goods that aren't ores though?
Dec 04, 2005 Ghost link
Itani traders will recieve the same treatment as UIT traders. An SKV escort in Ukari space, and no weapons materials into Serco space.

Goods that will not be allowed into Serco space include:

Basic Targeting Systems
Cooling Systems
Phase Arrays
Stabilizing Systems
XiRite Alloy
Xithricite Ore
Ion Cores
Plasma Cores
ERS Tracking Systems
Power Regulators

Please note that these goods will be allowed in Ukari with your SKV escort, but will not be permitted to be moved into Serco space.
Dec 04, 2005 Lord Q link
Anyone who wants to know the deep dark secret of why SKV is realy Blockading Ukari contact M'at. the price is a mear 3,000,000cr. only 2,000,000 if you just ask for the screen shots and not the chilling invesigative reporting.

-M'at

[edit] that goes for SKV members as well, if you want to know what i've uncovered it will cost you
Dec 04, 2005 Ghost link
Lies run expensive nowadays.
Dec 04, 2005 Shapenaji link
He makes it that expensive so that he only needs 1 moron to buy it and tell the rest of us its worthless.

Though, If you have a picture of the SKV bat-boy, I'd love to unravel that mystery!