You are right, "bragging chest-thumping idiot" isn't accurate when it comes to describing you Bojan.

Rather, you are a hypocritical braggart with a napoleon complex.

Yes Hep I know you don't know the history so I am not taking your comments too seriously.

Let's just say this... Serco guilds dominated VO for a long time, they ruled deneb, they won ctc every damn week, they ruled greyspace until... SKV appeared.
After SKV was formed and sprung into action - the Serco domination ended.

The Itani nation would now be a bunch of scared miners and traders hiding in nation space and Itan guild would be no more if it wasn't for SKV and what we did to make Itani nation prosper.

@yoda
these noobs don't know anything about SAF or SoR. Yeah they kicked IDF and IA into oblivion and only a few persistent idiots kept fighting them :P

Pretty sure that SKV was pretty inactive during the good 2 or 3 years RED was dominating

Imagine if you will three nations:

********A********B********C********

Nation A constitutes a western border, Nation C a eastern border, with Nation B sharing a border with both A & C. Nation C conducts commerce through its border with Nation B and finds that commerce subject to regular piracy & banditry from Nation B. Nation A is in a state of hosilities with Nation B. Why wouldn't Nation C aid Nation A in hostilities against Nation B? The first duty of any nation is to secure their borders after all.

lol Kopia, when I look at RED founders and roster... I am pretty sure my guys had good fun during the time I was on my long hiatus from VO.

Now stop hijacking this thread, you will make greenwall look not relevant. We don't want to do that, he must always be a winner.

VOID.

Mate it's been a couple of years, of course the roster is going to change.

Anyway, boo greenwall boo go away

@Trader Establishment

You should not post as an alias unless it's comedy

@Space Pancakes

Love the anecdote

@Bojan

Blah blah blah. Past accomplishments don't cancel out what you are doing now. That fact that you somehow think the past immunizes you from current reproach is rather unsettling.

Tell me, Bojan, what exactly does waging a war with TGFT who currently is enemies with our enemies do to advance any of these goals:

- Protect the Itani borders from Serco militants
- Protect Itani nationals in grey and UIT space from Serco militants
- Win the war in Deneb
- Cut off Serco war supply lines (CtC)
- Secure Itani access to resources in grey space

Answer: NOTHING

Currently it makes no sense for ITAN to fight TGFT. I'm not opposed to doing it if the conditions make sense. Hell, we've done it before when they were protecting ONE's access to the stations.

Your comparison to NATO doesn't hold up. Here's a better one: The USA(SKV) and Canada(ITAN) are part of NATO, an alliance formed to fight the Soviet/Russian(Serco) threat. The USA attacks Mexico(TGFT) and starts a war because they are bored. Now they're bombing Canada because Canada didn't follow them into the war.

Bojan, I tried talking to you about this in-game but you blew it off, demonizing Harpo until you logged off and refusing to even acknowledge that I'd offered to share keys with you and even take stations from TGFT as long as it meant that my members don't have to deal with ONE sitting at the docks with a key waiting to kill them.

translation: bojan is a clown and a pathetic co for SKV. kick him and get a good one. like... one with common sense for example.

@Arf

A 1,5 year ago when TGFT put SKV on KOS and effectively declared war on us we invoked our alliance defense charter and requested Itan to act accordingly.
You refused and, instead, sided with our enemy to diminish and undermine all our war efforts.
So... somehow your Mexico/USA/Canada example does not hold water.

The moment Itan started openly colluding with our enemies our alliance effectively ended. Out of respect for our mutual past we decided to just look the other way and tolerate your behavior for the time being.

Nothing would have actually changed in that respect if Itan did not openly attack SKV held station for which they had our key.
We would still tolerate your despicable alliance with TGFT & VOID if it was not for that incident.

Yes, you tried talking to me in station sector during treacherous Itan attack on station while I was trying to convince my pilots not to kill you all. We left the station undefended just to stop spilling unnecessary Itan blood but your treachery is not forgiven or forgotten.

You could have talked to us way before any of this happened, you had 1,5 year to talk to us while you were rolling in bed with TGFT & VOID, you did not.

As explained before - we don't trust Itan anymore. After 1,5 years of colluding with our enemies and sharing keys with them, acting as their spies and their close ally. You betrayed our alliance and your brothers in arms.

Unfortunately, you now have to regain our trust for your proposal to even be considered seriously.

@Trader Establishment:

you sure can be the next SKV commander!

NO, YOU CAN'T... CAUSE YOU ARE A LOSER.

Just STFU and let the big boys talking.

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Moebius.

i never said i wanted to be commander of your little shit guild. stop dreaming little "moebius".

you wouldn't make a great co either. people would never understand the commands you're shouting since your tongue is always cleaning bojans boots... hahum.

I'd love to know what Bojan think's he is owed from ITAN to grant them forgiveness. Couple billion credits? Public apology and an oath signed in blood saying ITAN will follow SKV like a beaten puppy into a burning house?

Also, thank you Bojan for acknowledging you were lying when you said I didn't know what I was talking about. As you just said: SKV did start this whole thing over being on a list. It's pretty sad, but also entertaining, to see an "elite guild of combat pilots" so insecure in themselves that they have to wage war on people who say they are dangerous. This is some epic overcompensation.

bojan must have some shortcomings we don't know about!

trader establishment, you are wrong.
you are the one kissing oldfartecka boots... disgusting tastes...

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Moebius

Owed? Nothing.

We just need to be able to trust them again.

You still don't know it greenwall, just fishing without a proper bait. How inconvenient for a master troll you aspire to be.