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man, you need help... a lot.
sounds like ye could apply to skv now wally ye seem clearly fittin' the requirements XD
How so, dear plant?
Bojan, we worked hard to try to an agreement with your guild, but when you get to the point were the list of who doesn't shoot at you from a guild is shorter than maybe one that doesn't, it makes sense for the whole guild to be hostile. And, your ROE was not enforced, I was +600 Itani when some of your members started shooting me in the back. I'd bet Sieger was neutral to +600 Itani as you all started shooting him in the back.
/me hopes TRI, INV, IGVT, etc, are small enough to avoid SKV's boredom. But, it isn't my job to entertain SKV. They'd have plenty of fun with Serco if they'd relearn what a Serco is, but they probably fear SCPs. Bojan, while you were gone, your guild betrayed you. You just choose not to see it or you wouldn't have anyone left in SKV.
Btw, bojan, one of you members told IGVT not to trade with me. You have Brzi95 grabbing his ankles, too? Why would SKV KOS IGVT for trading with someone?
/me hopes TRI, INV, IGVT, etc, are small enough to avoid SKV's boredom. But, it isn't my job to entertain SKV. They'd have plenty of fun with Serco if they'd relearn what a Serco is, but they probably fear SCPs. Bojan, while you were gone, your guild betrayed you. You just choose not to see it or you wouldn't have anyone left in SKV.
Btw, bojan, one of you members told IGVT not to trade with me. You have Brzi95 grabbing his ankles, too? Why would SKV KOS IGVT for trading with someone?
Ok Greenwall, you are either oblivious to the real facts or you are deciding to completely ignore them in order to throw stones at SKV.
My side of the story now.
I have been away from VO for almost 6 years. When I returned I found a lot of old friends, my old guild SKV still alive and some new names around that have risen to the status of very capable pilots.
During my 'shaking off the rust' period I met Electricity many times, we fought some against each other, we fought together against pirates but mostly I got the impression that, besides his obnoxious bragging and pathetic 'rrzzzt' role-playing on 100, he was actually ok guy.
At some point (a few months later after I started playing again) Niki said on guild chat that Electricity constantly sneaks up on him while afk and shoots him in the back.
Now I don't know how much you actually know about SKV since, when I left VO, you were just a pathetic swarmrag jock in Itan and had no idea who and what SKV are and what our ROE is.
SKV is a group of friends and our primary rule always was and still is - if someone messes with one of us - he is messing with the whole SKV, hence, Electricity/Sieger got KOS status.
We had talks with TGFT leadership about this situation and an agreement was reached that the rest of TGFT would stay out of this dispute with Electricity.
Electricity changed name to Sieger and, I presume, started applying pressure to his guild to back him up and take more aggressive stance in his conflict with SKV.
One day a Serco TGFT member with Itani KOS status got shot in B-8 by SKV member. There were some formal protests from TGFT so we plainly explained to them our ROE and advised them that, if they want to play the 'neutral trader' role in this universe - they cannot favor Serco side over Itani. Fixing standing to become dislike or neutral is very easy and our advice was not unreasonable.
At no point were we approached with a request for a NAP or neutral status for TGFT.
TGFT council meeting ensued where the majority decided to put SKV guild on TGFT KOS list.
Now, maybe in some other realities KOS does not mean Kill On Sight but in VO it does.
This was, in fact, unannounced act of war and we decided to put things into the right perspective and issue an official declaration of War. It was a fair and honorable thing to do.
Once we started paying closer attention to TGFT and what they are doing, a lot of dirty laundry started coming out of the closet.
First it was new Sieger's account with Alpha and Beta badges that he bought from a vet and 'sold' devs some bogus story about that being his old account he completely forgot about.
Second, TGFT_utils honey pot scam focused on turning the whole VO community into involuntary TGFT spies came up.
TGFT suddenly faced the reality - they were rightfully labelled as unethical and immoral bunch because of their own deeds and actions and, in the process, lost any public credibility they ever had.
Unable to face the reality about who they really are, TGFT leaders turned to public slandering of SKV in futile attempts to paint us as the bad guys.
In the process they even resorted to threatening and strong-arming smaller newbie guilds to help them in their 'crusade' against SKV. We all know how this ended - with more public humiliation of TGFT by members of small neutral new guilds.
The only one who remained oblivious to the real facts and what was really going on was you Greenwall.
Blinded by your loyalty to your TGFT friends you managed to turn SKV and Itan into your enemies.
In all of what transpired - Electricity/Sieger is just an irrelevant pawn in the game.
TGFT can keep all unethical & immoral Siegers in VO in their ranks for all we care - it speaks more about TGFT as a guild and their lack of integrity and ethics then about anything else.
Hate? People like Sieger are beyond hate, they are not worth any human emotion at all.
Your claims that SKV has abandoned their patriotic duties just to fight in a war against TGFT are unfounded.
SKV is keeping Serco enemies at bay all over universe and performing military actions as usual while you are acting like a true Itani traitor and backstabbing Itan member engaged in fighting ONE in I-2.
We are defenders of Itani nation and we will always remain loyal to our cause. What are you Greenwall?
My side of the story now.
I have been away from VO for almost 6 years. When I returned I found a lot of old friends, my old guild SKV still alive and some new names around that have risen to the status of very capable pilots.
During my 'shaking off the rust' period I met Electricity many times, we fought some against each other, we fought together against pirates but mostly I got the impression that, besides his obnoxious bragging and pathetic 'rrzzzt' role-playing on 100, he was actually ok guy.
At some point (a few months later after I started playing again) Niki said on guild chat that Electricity constantly sneaks up on him while afk and shoots him in the back.
Now I don't know how much you actually know about SKV since, when I left VO, you were just a pathetic swarmrag jock in Itan and had no idea who and what SKV are and what our ROE is.
SKV is a group of friends and our primary rule always was and still is - if someone messes with one of us - he is messing with the whole SKV, hence, Electricity/Sieger got KOS status.
We had talks with TGFT leadership about this situation and an agreement was reached that the rest of TGFT would stay out of this dispute with Electricity.
Electricity changed name to Sieger and, I presume, started applying pressure to his guild to back him up and take more aggressive stance in his conflict with SKV.
One day a Serco TGFT member with Itani KOS status got shot in B-8 by SKV member. There were some formal protests from TGFT so we plainly explained to them our ROE and advised them that, if they want to play the 'neutral trader' role in this universe - they cannot favor Serco side over Itani. Fixing standing to become dislike or neutral is very easy and our advice was not unreasonable.
At no point were we approached with a request for a NAP or neutral status for TGFT.
TGFT council meeting ensued where the majority decided to put SKV guild on TGFT KOS list.
Now, maybe in some other realities KOS does not mean Kill On Sight but in VO it does.
This was, in fact, unannounced act of war and we decided to put things into the right perspective and issue an official declaration of War. It was a fair and honorable thing to do.
Once we started paying closer attention to TGFT and what they are doing, a lot of dirty laundry started coming out of the closet.
First it was new Sieger's account with Alpha and Beta badges that he bought from a vet and 'sold' devs some bogus story about that being his old account he completely forgot about.
Second, TGFT_utils honey pot scam focused on turning the whole VO community into involuntary TGFT spies came up.
TGFT suddenly faced the reality - they were rightfully labelled as unethical and immoral bunch because of their own deeds and actions and, in the process, lost any public credibility they ever had.
Unable to face the reality about who they really are, TGFT leaders turned to public slandering of SKV in futile attempts to paint us as the bad guys.
In the process they even resorted to threatening and strong-arming smaller newbie guilds to help them in their 'crusade' against SKV. We all know how this ended - with more public humiliation of TGFT by members of small neutral new guilds.
The only one who remained oblivious to the real facts and what was really going on was you Greenwall.
Blinded by your loyalty to your TGFT friends you managed to turn SKV and Itan into your enemies.
In all of what transpired - Electricity/Sieger is just an irrelevant pawn in the game.
TGFT can keep all unethical & immoral Siegers in VO in their ranks for all we care - it speaks more about TGFT as a guild and their lack of integrity and ethics then about anything else.
Hate? People like Sieger are beyond hate, they are not worth any human emotion at all.
Your claims that SKV has abandoned their patriotic duties just to fight in a war against TGFT are unfounded.
SKV is keeping Serco enemies at bay all over universe and performing military actions as usual while you are acting like a true Itani traitor and backstabbing Itan member engaged in fighting ONE in I-2.
We are defenders of Itani nation and we will always remain loyal to our cause. What are you Greenwall?
Ohhhh, the guy who was shooting Itan and fighting with ONE...sorry, I needed the Combat XP
Vlad, have you ever considered lobotomy?
Your inner moron is getting too strong.
Your inner moron is getting too strong.
Lobotomy? No, it's too normal
Bojan, your story has so many holes in it I think I could literally print it out and place it over a lightbulb to make my own personal planetarium. I'll bite on some of your crap just for fun:
Just curious, what is your proof that Sieger bought an account from someone? And even if he did, who the fuck cares? (besides you, lol)
Also, how am I backstabbing anyone? Retaliating against people who have wronged me is not backstabbing, it's called revenge -- or -- another word you have perhaps heard of...maybe in the title of a game you have played recently? I have zero allegience to ITAN as a guild, or the itani nation for that matter. Why you seem to think I should have some is beyond me.
SKV on the other hand, does have an allegiance -- to the Itani Nation. Yet they enlist Itani-murdering pirates and ignore serco nationalists when given the chance to shoot neutral TGFT members (some of whom are Itani). That is in direct opposition to your claim of being "defenders of the Itani nation". You are the traitors. Maybe it's time you owned your shit? Change your guild description or change your behavior in game.
Just curious, what is your proof that Sieger bought an account from someone? And even if he did, who the fuck cares? (besides you, lol)
Also, how am I backstabbing anyone? Retaliating against people who have wronged me is not backstabbing, it's called revenge -- or -- another word you have perhaps heard of...maybe in the title of a game you have played recently? I have zero allegience to ITAN as a guild, or the itani nation for that matter. Why you seem to think I should have some is beyond me.
SKV on the other hand, does have an allegiance -- to the Itani Nation. Yet they enlist Itani-murdering pirates and ignore serco nationalists when given the chance to shoot neutral TGFT members (some of whom are Itani). That is in direct opposition to your claim of being "defenders of the Itani nation". You are the traitors. Maybe it's time you owned your shit? Change your guild description or change your behavior in game.
^^^^^^this
I have zero allegience to ITAN as a guild, or the itani nation for that matter. Why you seem to think I should have some is beyond me.
Irrespective of ITAN, you used to RP an Itani nationalist. Not just when you were in ITAN, but also in PA. It seems SKV are not the only ones who can change their mind about who to prioritise.
Also, how am I backstabbing anyone?
See above. Until recently, I also believed that you still RPed an Itani Nationalist in PA. It seems I was wrong about that, and will reflect in ITAN's future actions concerning you.
That is in direct opposition to your claim of being "defenders of the Itani nation". You are the traitors. Maybe it's time you owned your shit? Change your guild description or change your behavior in game.
SKV are acting within RP. They declared war on TGFT after realising that TGFT has placed them on their then-"KOS" list. This shows little regard for a diplomatic process on TGFT's end, and have made no effort whatsoever to make it right since.
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Now, concerning what Bojan said.
TGFT is *not exempt* from factional repercussions enforced by guilds simply because they claim to be neutral traders. Neutral means faction neutral, and should reflect in their standings. If they wanted an exemption from this, they could have approached SKV diplomatically via their website, and could have negotiated a NAP.
TGFT did not opt for this, so any factional repercussions inflicted by SKV is at TGFT's own fault.
Greenwall, I'm not sure why you're defending TGFT, though judging from your post, you've lost all ability to remain impartial and logical in this. Some might believe you have a TGFT alt.
Irrespective of ITAN, you used to RP an Itani nationalist. Not just when you were in ITAN, but also in PA. It seems SKV are not the only ones who can change their mind about who to prioritise.
Also, how am I backstabbing anyone?
See above. Until recently, I also believed that you still RPed an Itani Nationalist in PA. It seems I was wrong about that, and will reflect in ITAN's future actions concerning you.
That is in direct opposition to your claim of being "defenders of the Itani nation". You are the traitors. Maybe it's time you owned your shit? Change your guild description or change your behavior in game.
SKV are acting within RP. They declared war on TGFT after realising that TGFT has placed them on their then-"KOS" list. This shows little regard for a diplomatic process on TGFT's end, and have made no effort whatsoever to make it right since.
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Now, concerning what Bojan said.
TGFT is *not exempt* from factional repercussions enforced by guilds simply because they claim to be neutral traders. Neutral means faction neutral, and should reflect in their standings. If they wanted an exemption from this, they could have approached SKV diplomatically via their website, and could have negotiated a NAP.
TGFT did not opt for this, so any factional repercussions inflicted by SKV is at TGFT's own fault.
Greenwall, I'm not sure why you're defending TGFT, though judging from your post, you've lost all ability to remain impartial and logical in this. Some might believe you have a TGFT alt.
In ITAN I was a nationalist according to the requirements of the guild. In PA, I choose to participate in nationalist activities on occasion which just so happened to be in support of Itanis, all in alignment with the requirements of the guild (of which there are none... aside from no piracy). I also have done business with and assisted in combat activities for various serco nationalists. If some people were under the assumption that I was, or am, an unwaivering Itani nationalist, then they have been under the wrong impression.
In PA I can change my mind all I want and nobody can fault me for it. The same can't be said for SKV.
They declared war on TGFT after realising that TGFT has placed them on their then-"KOS" list. This shows little regard for a diplomatic process on TGFT's end, and have made no effort whatsoever to make it right since.
Har har har.
As I said previously, I'm not privy to TGFT's efforts or non-efforts in regards to diplomacy. All I'm saying is it's very obvious to me that SKV started it and made it worse, and worse...and worse. You can't fault TGFT for responding the way they did in regards to the KoS (or whatever it's officially called). Hell just the other day Bojan took my singular personal declaration of war against his and westacular alts as a PA declaration of war. Double standard maybe?
Speaking of -- some SKV violated common alt-separation standards and specifically targeted me with those violations. As Harpo pointed out, calling out alts is cheap. Greenwall the character was staying mostly out of this whole business until SKV members decided to pull me in with their cheap shots. Such a move renders any protections they thought they might have had in other guilds meaningless. That you, Kierky, would defend such behavior after all the shit you've been through regarding alts, and that you would also participate in it, is very disappointing.
In PA I can change my mind all I want and nobody can fault me for it. The same can't be said for SKV.
They declared war on TGFT after realising that TGFT has placed them on their then-"KOS" list. This shows little regard for a diplomatic process on TGFT's end, and have made no effort whatsoever to make it right since.
Har har har.
As I said previously, I'm not privy to TGFT's efforts or non-efforts in regards to diplomacy. All I'm saying is it's very obvious to me that SKV started it and made it worse, and worse...and worse. You can't fault TGFT for responding the way they did in regards to the KoS (or whatever it's officially called). Hell just the other day Bojan took my singular personal declaration of war against his and westacular alts as a PA declaration of war. Double standard maybe?
Speaking of -- some SKV violated common alt-separation standards and specifically targeted me with those violations. As Harpo pointed out, calling out alts is cheap. Greenwall the character was staying mostly out of this whole business until SKV members decided to pull me in with their cheap shots. Such a move renders any protections they thought they might have had in other guilds meaningless. That you, Kierky, would defend such behavior after all the shit you've been through regarding alts, and that you would also participate in it, is very disappointing.
TGFT's KoS list has been changed to Potentially Hostile List
i laughed at the reason why SKV apparently KOS'd the first guy of TGFT. way before you came back, Niki logged in once in a time and shot at people unprovoked, many TGFT among them. more than once i remember sieger asking if he can treat Niki KOS because he shot him in the back again. he was simply the first of TGFT to repay niki.
other than that your madness at this player is ridiculous. how old are you? "wahh sieger is a cheeter he like like... baught his account! and he shoots me arrghhh i like hate him so much!!!11" lul.
other than that your madness at this player is ridiculous. how old are you? "wahh sieger is a cheeter he like like... baught his account! and he shoots me arrghhh i like hate him so much!!!11" lul.
Greenwall and TGFT right now:
@Clarisse CCCCCCCCC
Niki was known to shoot moths in B-8 on occasion way before you even knew VO existed.
From 2004 we started calling this "Raving lunatic behemoth disorder". Niki, Ecka and I go a way back and, in fact, all old vets know Niki and his behemoth fetish quite well.
Everyone is very quick to jump to saying "Waaah Niki shot my moth in B-8" but nobody ever gave him credit for the gazillion times he did good things, saved their asses or unselfishly provided help.
Heck, Niki shot my moth in B-8 just because I was flying it a hundred times. Did I curse him for that? Sure.
Death in VO means nothing so it was always just for lols.
There is no madness concerning Sieger. I am just an old guy and I still have a moral compass and sense of what is considered to be ethical and honorable demeanor and I admit, that is not very common in this shitty world we live in.
What Sieger did is just lame and unethical in my book.
It speaks volumes about who he really is and also about your TGFT who choose not to see anything lame and unethical in this.
Niki was known to shoot moths in B-8 on occasion way before you even knew VO existed.
From 2004 we started calling this "Raving lunatic behemoth disorder". Niki, Ecka and I go a way back and, in fact, all old vets know Niki and his behemoth fetish quite well.
Everyone is very quick to jump to saying "Waaah Niki shot my moth in B-8" but nobody ever gave him credit for the gazillion times he did good things, saved their asses or unselfishly provided help.
Heck, Niki shot my moth in B-8 just because I was flying it a hundred times. Did I curse him for that? Sure.
Death in VO means nothing so it was always just for lols.
There is no madness concerning Sieger. I am just an old guy and I still have a moral compass and sense of what is considered to be ethical and honorable demeanor and I admit, that is not very common in this shitty world we live in.
What Sieger did is just lame and unethical in my book.
It speaks volumes about who he really is and also about your TGFT who choose not to see anything lame and unethical in this.
Clarinse.
Shut up. You don't wanna mess with these guys. (First hand Experience)
Shut up. You don't wanna mess with these guys. (First hand Experience)
I will say this. Not that I have any sway, but Sieger tried to buy my Alpha account. Mine was too rich to me I think, but he said he would be interested in buying my Beta. Then all of a sudden turned around and said "sorry, I have remembered my old account details and the devs have decided to help..."
Sounds like Bojan is right on the mark.
Sounds like Bojan is right on the mark.
And let's not forget how he started off as Itani named Sieger, then became a Serco, then (IIRC) became an Itani again, then became a UIT named Electricity, before finally returning his name to Sieger. Factoring in that every time he made one of those changes he'd have had to nag the devs, it's not hard to imagine that he's the sort of scumbucket who would do something like buying an account.
That said, I find this whole idea of SKV getting pissy because Niki was shot while AFK to be hilarious. Did mean old Sieger take da poor widdle baby's rattle too? Dawww.
That said, I find this whole idea of SKV getting pissy because Niki was shot while AFK to be hilarious. Did mean old Sieger take da poor widdle baby's rattle too? Dawww.
bojansplash, the most recent time I remember I got a cheap shot in the back by skv prior to the war is when one of them jumped in and watched me finish a fight with a ONE member. After the ONE member died, I got shot in the back. When a +600 uit kills a serco member, an itani nationalist should good job the player, not finish him off with shots in the back.
Maybe if SKV would not behave like jerks, fewer TGFT council members would have voted to mark SKV as hostile. Bojan, TGFT attempted to work t he SKV leadership. The SKV members where not very receptive. We're just a simple peaceful trading guild. I define nuetral as not assisting either side in the war/ctc. Some traders are born with certain standings and it takes them time to get factionally neutral. But, I wonder if changing standing is a 'nuetral' behavior (let's not go off on this tangent here).
Other than that, your account seems to be made up from the possibly distant accounts from people with an agenda. But, I'll trust their was no intentional intent in posting your representation of the history of what led to all this.
The question here, is where does SKV want to go from here? I'd be very surprised if SKV keyed us and stopped shooting at us which would obviously lead to a change on our end because I have my suspicion of why there is a war in the first place.
Maybe if SKV would not behave like jerks, fewer TGFT council members would have voted to mark SKV as hostile. Bojan, TGFT attempted to work t he SKV leadership. The SKV members where not very receptive. We're just a simple peaceful trading guild. I define nuetral as not assisting either side in the war/ctc. Some traders are born with certain standings and it takes them time to get factionally neutral. But, I wonder if changing standing is a 'nuetral' behavior (let's not go off on this tangent here).
Other than that, your account seems to be made up from the possibly distant accounts from people with an agenda. But, I'll trust their was no intentional intent in posting your representation of the history of what led to all this.
The question here, is where does SKV want to go from here? I'd be very surprised if SKV keyed us and stopped shooting at us which would obviously lead to a change on our end because I have my suspicion of why there is a war in the first place.