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Bojan, I think you need to re-calibrate your moral and ethical compass. It seems it gave you a misread when you invited MaxHax and Younger into your guild. Ask him sometime about how moral and ethically he behaved in the past in game -- he's usually pretty open about it.
This just goes to show it really is all about Sieger, and not TGFT -- and that SKV has blown this whole issue WAY the fuck out of proportion. Which, again, is fine, so long as SKV admits it. Griefing people is something I despise, but it's a valid RP. Just run with it and see how freeing it feels to call yourselves what you are.
This just goes to show it really is all about Sieger, and not TGFT -- and that SKV has blown this whole issue WAY the fuck out of proportion. Which, again, is fine, so long as SKV admits it. Griefing people is something I despise, but it's a valid RP. Just run with it and see how freeing it feels to call yourselves what you are.
@Rin
That said, I find this whole idea of SKV getting pissy because Niki was shot while AFK to be hilarious. Did mean old Sieger take da poor widdle baby's rattle too? Dawww.
Heh, I returned to VO with a set of values common to SKV from the time it was very active.
You know Niki as well as I do - Niki never complains, he shoots back. Niki just stated what was happening and it was my decision to put our old rule in effect - you mess with one SKV you mess with all of us.
@kbireta
This war will end when TGFT surrenders and pays war reparations.
After that we can negotiate about possible NAP or TGFT neutrality.
@Greenwall
My moral compass is just fine, thank you.
I do not cheat, I do not lie, I do not peddle honey pot scams to VO player base and I do not buy vet accounts to hone my vanity and get bragging rights.
You think I should correct my ethical principles to allow all that?
That said, I find this whole idea of SKV getting pissy because Niki was shot while AFK to be hilarious. Did mean old Sieger take da poor widdle baby's rattle too? Dawww.
Heh, I returned to VO with a set of values common to SKV from the time it was very active.
You know Niki as well as I do - Niki never complains, he shoots back. Niki just stated what was happening and it was my decision to put our old rule in effect - you mess with one SKV you mess with all of us.
@kbireta
This war will end when TGFT surrenders and pays war reparations.
After that we can negotiate about possible NAP or TGFT neutrality.
@Greenwall
My moral compass is just fine, thank you.
I do not cheat, I do not lie, I do not peddle honey pot scams to VO player base and I do not buy vet accounts to hone my vanity and get bragging rights.
You think I should correct my ethical principles to allow all that?
WAAAAIT! Is Greenwall, sworn enemy of pirates, STILL on my case about stealing from FAMY? The same FAMY that's been stealing from the VO population for years? The same FAMY that I pretty much kept afloat during my solid year of binge-playing and got tired of holding the FAMY line against insurmountable odds because Savet was fixing his Lotus and YT-1300 is an archaeologist? Why do the "good citizens" of VO care if a FAMY Lt defects with the treasury? Also, I gave 2/3 of it away within a couple months and blew the rest on overpriced merchandise to support up and coming inde players at 40mil/TU and such. Seriously, you're questioning my integrity on the basis of robbing robbers? LOL...
Also at Kenny...
"Bojan, TGFT attempted to work t he SKV leadership. The SKV members where not very receptive. "
^^^I'm pretending that this isn't a typo and that you mean what you wrote here. Darn right TGFT attempted to work SKV leadership! Of course they weren't very receptive of getting "worked". :-P
Also at Kenny...
"Bojan, TGFT attempted to work t he SKV leadership. The SKV members where not very receptive. "
^^^I'm pretending that this isn't a typo and that you mean what you wrote here. Darn right TGFT attempted to work SKV leadership! Of course they weren't very receptive of getting "worked". :-P
For God's sake. JUST PAY ALREADY TGFT!
TGFT has 8-10 Billion (not sure) credits.
and jeez kb. TGFT will only lose 1 FUCKING MEMBER. You can replace Sieger ANYTIME.
So quit you're whining and pay.
TGFT has 8-10 Billion (not sure) credits.
and jeez kb. TGFT will only lose 1 FUCKING MEMBER. You can replace Sieger ANYTIME.
So quit you're whining and pay.
@bojan -- We aren't talking about whether you personally are morally or ethically "fine", we are talking about how your moral and ethical compass reads other people. You are judging Sieger and warring over that subsequent judgement, but you have invited one of the arguably greatest cheater/troll/liar/griefer/thiefs in VO history into your ranks with no hesitation (Westacular).
Genuine moral and ethical compasses work on all situations, not just the ones you pick and choose.
@westacular -- Your integrity is in question based on your previous actions. Whether or not you harmed my enemies by those actions is not important.
Genuine moral and ethical compasses work on all situations, not just the ones you pick and choose.
@westacular -- Your integrity is in question based on your previous actions. Whether or not you harmed my enemies by those actions is not important.
RoboticMechanicalJeb... Why?
The Fact that TGFT has been trying to form a Peace Treaty/NAP with SKV for weeks now, it's better to follow what someone else says if you're aiming for peace. (At least, thast what I would do)
RoboticMechanicalJeb, who's been doing that? If they want it that bad, they can pay.
I know they can pay.
That's why I've been building up creds (trying to get 20 Billion) to pay for TGFT.
That's why I've been building up creds (trying to get 20 Billion) to pay for TGFT.
As I said previously, I'm not privy to TGFT's efforts or non-efforts in regards to diplomacy
I followed the time-line quite closely, saw the logs of when TGFT decided SKV was KOS, when SKV declaired war. Bojan's time-line is not out of order: TGFT expanded the conflict to a full-guild KOS status *before* the SKV declaration of war.
I followed the time-line quite closely, saw the logs of when TGFT decided SKV was KOS, when SKV declaired war. Bojan's time-line is not out of order: TGFT expanded the conflict to a full-guild KOS status *before* the SKV declaration of war.
@Greenwall
You are judging Sieger and warring over that subsequent judgement, but you have invited one of the arguably greatest cheater/troll/liar/griefer/thiefs in VO history into your ranks with no hesitation (Westacular).
Incorrect Greenwall. This war was started because TGFT council put SKV guild on their KOS list. It has been said many times but your 'selective hearing' stopped you from recognizing this.
All other TGFT dirty laundry came out of the closet AFTER the war was declared.
I do not know anything about Max Hax history before he joined SKV ranks.
Upon joining he was presented with our rules of conduct and duties as a member of SKV and he accepted them. So far he has been following our rules to the letter and his behavior was exemplary.
SKV has a long tradition of reforming the 'fallen'.
Even yoda was at one point a member of SKV and has shown extreme valor and honor in combat for our cause, not to mention others like Borb, Shape, Martin, Mortis, Gavan... SKV has a long history and I don't think I should waste my time explaining it to you.
You are judging Sieger and warring over that subsequent judgement, but you have invited one of the arguably greatest cheater/troll/liar/griefer/thiefs in VO history into your ranks with no hesitation (Westacular).
Incorrect Greenwall. This war was started because TGFT council put SKV guild on their KOS list. It has been said many times but your 'selective hearing' stopped you from recognizing this.
All other TGFT dirty laundry came out of the closet AFTER the war was declared.
I do not know anything about Max Hax history before he joined SKV ranks.
Upon joining he was presented with our rules of conduct and duties as a member of SKV and he accepted them. So far he has been following our rules to the letter and his behavior was exemplary.
SKV has a long tradition of reforming the 'fallen'.
Even yoda was at one point a member of SKV and has shown extreme valor and honor in combat for our cause, not to mention others like Borb, Shape, Martin, Mortis, Gavan... SKV has a long history and I don't think I should waste my time explaining it to you.
Greenwall claims I'm one of the " arguably greatest cheater/troll/liar/griefer/thiefs in VO history". Eat your hearts out antibody, yoda, Savet, FBP, TRS, Shape, whoever else. I hold the title to baddest ass in the 'verse per Greenwall, Lt of [PA]thetic!
Also, hypothetically speaking...if I sawed off an infants head with a fish scaler that would be horrific. Likewise if I went back in time and sawed off an infant's head with a fish scaler who happened to be baby-Stalin, baby-Hitler, or baby-[insert evil dicator's name here] it would also be horrific, BUT it would be a great service to humanity. Now FAMY is no baby, but I did kinda saw off their head with a fish scaler :-P I'm such a bad guy for doing bad things to bad guys? Again I lol....
Also, hypothetically speaking...if I sawed off an infants head with a fish scaler that would be horrific. Likewise if I went back in time and sawed off an infant's head with a fish scaler who happened to be baby-Stalin, baby-Hitler, or baby-[insert evil dicator's name here] it would also be horrific, BUT it would be a great service to humanity. Now FAMY is no baby, but I did kinda saw off their head with a fish scaler :-P I'm such a bad guy for doing bad things to bad guys? Again I lol....
Those two points of Bojan's account are not inaccurate Harpo.
But, SKV, in their actions, went to war with us before we marked them hostile.
But, SKV, in their actions, went to war with us before we marked them hostile.
I define nuetral as not assisting either side in the war
This statement just reminds me of you telling actually neutral guild members that they had to help you bomb stations to get station keys. This just irks me in combination with your tangled rhetoric of TGFT neutrality. Has the TGFT council made any statement of weather or not this is still within TGFT policy? I know you stated that you acted within TGFT rules but I'd like to hear from a different councillor if this is true or not. Has there been a policy change since this surfaced?
This statement just reminds me of you telling actually neutral guild members that they had to help you bomb stations to get station keys. This just irks me in combination with your tangled rhetoric of TGFT neutrality. Has the TGFT council made any statement of weather or not this is still within TGFT policy? I know you stated that you acted within TGFT rules but I'd like to hear from a different councillor if this is true or not. Has there been a policy change since this surfaced?
TGFT keys neutral guilds.
TGFT's declaration of KOS. Old screenshot I took.
http://skygge-vakter.com/vo/Screen%20Shot%202015-04-14%20at%206.00.31%20am.png
Important thing to note is the date (April 12 2015)
The TGFT Meeting referenced in the KOS declaration: http://hastebin.com/ugelonuwiy.xml
The SKV declaration of war: http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/14/29957
(Dated April 13 2015)
http://skygge-vakter.com/vo/Screen%20Shot%202015-04-14%20at%206.00.31%20am.png
Important thing to note is the date (April 12 2015)
The TGFT Meeting referenced in the KOS declaration: http://hastebin.com/ugelonuwiy.xml
The SKV declaration of war: http://www.vendetta-online.com/x/msgboard/14/29957
(Dated April 13 2015)
yes, Kierky, that is the result of warring against another guild.
Added more.
Ouch!
Kierky, all that proves is SKV was already at war with us. You don't get marked hostile for honking at TGFT.
SKV was griefing TGFT. TGFT did what they do.
SKV was griefing TGFT. TGFT did what they do.