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TGFT, PLEASE have someone besides kb seriously comment on the Mota incident.
Because so far, that is the most questionable thing either of these guilds has done recently.
And so far, your guild's only official responses have been's kb's denials (which have many inaccuracies), and Surb's pathetically limp & transparent attempts to mock the conversation.
So, thus far, you have looked incredibly guilty of bullying a neutral guild into helping with station-attacks & kicking someone who pissed off one of your council. I really hope this isn't the case, as most of you have been quite level-headed and reasonable in the past.
(of course, if this is all part of some evil-conglomerate RP then that would explain everything; and I applaud you for taking such a radical and ugly stance for the sake of bringing some life to the 'verse)
TGFT, PLEASE have someone besides kb seriously comment on the Mota incident.
Because so far, that is the most questionable thing either of these guilds has done recently.
And so far, your guild's only official responses have been's kb's denials (which have many inaccuracies), and Surb's pathetically limp & transparent attempts to mock the conversation.
So, thus far, you have looked incredibly guilty of bullying a neutral guild into helping with station-attacks & kicking someone who pissed off one of your council. I really hope this isn't the case, as most of you have been quite level-headed and reasonable in the past.
(of course, if this is all part of some evil-conglomerate RP then that would explain everything; and I applaud you for taking such a radical and ugly stance for the sake of bringing some life to the 'verse)
The Mota event had nothing to do with SKV. TGFT keys neutral guilds. And... this has nothing to do with anything that happened between TGFT and SKV.
Bojan, from what I can see, the most you can accuse Sieger of is trying to buy an Alpha account. I suspect "trying" is not even the right word, and that "inquiring" is more apt. There is nothing in the EULA about considering doing something -- it's only if the act is followed through. Unless you have some other evidence you'd like to put forth?
Even so, who the FUCK cares? He was trying to get badges. What about getting badges is unethical and immoral? Nothing. You are overreacting. This entire thing is a grand overreaction.
The fact that you are trying to accuse Sieger of having real life "moral and ethical" character flaws over his desire to buy a fucking badge is just hilarious. Do you really think that everyone else, especially yourself included, has no more serious REAL LIFE moral and ethical behaviors than that? Are you really gonna sit here and say that Sieger is a bad person because he tried to buy a badge in a computer game, and that you yourself are pure and holy and would never or have never consider doing something worse than that in your life?
You should have a look back at some of the things Westacular has said about the devs when he was in one of his stages of understanding the pace at which VO moves -- and then come back and still try to defend him as some pure and holy person devoid of moral and ethical defects and who deserves a second chance. Get a grip dude. We all have issues, you included. You especially included.
ANYX is/was a honeypot scam as well but you are mum on that. Where's all the ITAN-are-immorral-and-unethical rhetoric?
Even so, who the FUCK cares? He was trying to get badges. What about getting badges is unethical and immoral? Nothing. You are overreacting. This entire thing is a grand overreaction.
The fact that you are trying to accuse Sieger of having real life "moral and ethical" character flaws over his desire to buy a fucking badge is just hilarious. Do you really think that everyone else, especially yourself included, has no more serious REAL LIFE moral and ethical behaviors than that? Are you really gonna sit here and say that Sieger is a bad person because he tried to buy a badge in a computer game, and that you yourself are pure and holy and would never or have never consider doing something worse than that in your life?
You should have a look back at some of the things Westacular has said about the devs when he was in one of his stages of understanding the pace at which VO moves -- and then come back and still try to defend him as some pure and holy person devoid of moral and ethical defects and who deserves a second chance. Get a grip dude. We all have issues, you included. You especially included.
ANYX is/was a honeypot scam as well but you are mum on that. Where's all the ITAN-are-immorral-and-unethical rhetoric?
I agree the mota event didn't shed good light on TGFT... but I also agree with kbireta:
"The Mota event had nothing to do with SKV."
"The Mota event had nothing to do with SKV."
The Mota event doesn't have to do with SKV directly. Agreed. But I'm trying to explain how it sheds a very nasty light on TGFT, which makes it easier for an objective party to believe the things SKV is saying.
According to the facts presented by Mota, and corroborated by you kb, you behaved quite immaturely and rather embarrassingly.
Whether TGFT is ok with that or not (and to what extent) says a lot about TGFT as a guild; its goals, its commitment to those goals, and its neutrality (or lackthereof).
And how other council (ie, Surb) choose to address that in public sheds even more light on how respectable and truly neutral your guild is.
So while it may not have anything directly to do with SKV, the way you and your guild have handled it thusfar paints a very bad picture which DOES corroborate a lot of what SKV is saying.
Thus, as a neutral party, until I see someone (ANYONE!) step up to the plate and take responsibility for the Mota incident (hell, even if it's as much as "kb was acting childishly, but we're not going to kick him based on that one incident, get over it") I have to assume that SKV's accusations are more right than they are wrong.
And again, to be perfectly clear: that belief and the way you guys look on the forum can change AT ANY POINT, as long as EVEN ONE non-kb-councilor seriously addresses the Mota incident.
Until then, you guys look more like petulant bullies & griefers than SKV does.
(But please, I'm BEGGING you to change that, and all it takes is one post. Do the right thing!!)
According to the facts presented by Mota, and corroborated by you kb, you behaved quite immaturely and rather embarrassingly.
Whether TGFT is ok with that or not (and to what extent) says a lot about TGFT as a guild; its goals, its commitment to those goals, and its neutrality (or lackthereof).
And how other council (ie, Surb) choose to address that in public sheds even more light on how respectable and truly neutral your guild is.
So while it may not have anything directly to do with SKV, the way you and your guild have handled it thusfar paints a very bad picture which DOES corroborate a lot of what SKV is saying.
Thus, as a neutral party, until I see someone (ANYONE!) step up to the plate and take responsibility for the Mota incident (hell, even if it's as much as "kb was acting childishly, but we're not going to kick him based on that one incident, get over it") I have to assume that SKV's accusations are more right than they are wrong.
And again, to be perfectly clear: that belief and the way you guys look on the forum can change AT ANY POINT, as long as EVEN ONE non-kb-councilor seriously addresses the Mota incident.
Until then, you guys look more like petulant bullies & griefers than SKV does.
(But please, I'm BEGGING you to change that, and all it takes is one post. Do the right thing!!)
Lol Wally, SKV gives unlimited access to the bank to ALL members 100% of the time! Care to pitch anything else at me to knock out of the park?
Also "waaah Wes sad bad things about the devs!" We all have mate, you included. You even name keys profanely and hostile toward the game. You have no moral high ground. I screwed FAMY and I'm proud of it. If you have a problem with that you should go rob the people I gave FAMY's money to like YT did (holding up EMS for 20mil).
Also "waaah Wes sad bad things about the devs!" We all have mate, you included. You even name keys profanely and hostile toward the game. You have no moral high ground. I screwed FAMY and I'm proud of it. If you have a problem with that you should go rob the people I gave FAMY's money to like YT did (holding up EMS for 20mil).
Hmm, someone really likes rotten old smelly red herrings.
You are masterfully trying to bend the truth Greenwall by avoiding to say anything about TGFT_utils honey pot scam.
Provided you understand what a 'honey pot' is and how it was publicly distributed to the whole VO player base as a 'very helpful' plug-in without mentioning of TGFT hidden agenda behind this 'act of generosity and kindness'.
About Siegers moral and ethical real life flaws...
People who participated in Alpha and Beta testing of VO were rewarded for their time and effort in making the game better by those badges. Those badges are an honorable sign of a valued members of VO community who helped launch this game and a sign of gratitude from GS.
Buying those badges and bragging about them is an insult to all original VO testers and mocking of GS sign of gratitude to them. This is completely unethical.
Provided you understand what a 'honey pot' is and how it was publicly distributed to the whole VO player base as a 'very helpful' plug-in without mentioning of TGFT hidden agenda behind this 'act of generosity and kindness'.
About Siegers moral and ethical real life flaws...
People who participated in Alpha and Beta testing of VO were rewarded for their time and effort in making the game better by those badges. Those badges are an honorable sign of a valued members of VO community who helped launch this game and a sign of gratitude from GS.
Buying those badges and bragging about them is an insult to all original VO testers and mocking of GS sign of gratitude to them. This is completely unethical.
Ok, smittens. I gave it some thought.... I take full responsibility. It was a bit childish and not well thought out. Now we can bury that rotten fish.
"(of course, if this is all part of some evil-conglomerate RP then that would explain everything; and I applaud you for taking such a radical and ugly stance for the sake of bringing some life to the 'verse)"
@smittens: That has been my assumption for a long time. Though I'd enjoy it more if they'd just embrace that fully and stop with trying to pretend otherwise.
@smittens: That has been my assumption for a long time. Though I'd enjoy it more if they'd just embrace that fully and stop with trying to pretend otherwise.
1. you get me wrong. niki may have always shot moths in b8. but i read through logs now and it showsniki did not just shoot a moth of sieger. instead he jumped into his fights and attacked him for no reason. this comes from a dialogue posted to our forums with SKV. that time SKV didn't even deny niki started it. but i'm sure you know that. you are being "unethical" and a "liar" here. then after that happened you morons came online and shot more TGFT members.
2. about the badges: i bet sieger is laughing his ass off if he reads all this shit. yup he may have tried to buy from yoda but if i read it right he did not succeed. so where do these badges come from?
he may have just tried to get a replacement for the acount he couldn't get into. then he got into it anyway? unlikely? hell. he may have found a paper with the pw on it. i find old pws to old shit all the time. besides that, i quote greenwall: who gives a fuck?
what is illegal&immoral is you insulting and harrassing a player constantly and accusing him of things you cannot prove.
i strongly suggest that you shut up now, not only because it makes you look stupid - also cause if you cannot come up with proof sometime, you belong reported.
sieger likes to make himself seem like he is doing controverse things. i agree he does that too excessively but we're playing a game here. the badge story may just be another trick he pulled to (successfully!) troll you. the developers are not stupid. it takes one click to check the payment history of an account and see if somebody else subbed it before.
3. quit whining about stuff that is solved AND in the past. the plugin has a disclaimer now. no more reason for you to whine.
i think i said it before but you are the ruin of SKV. niki was a better CO than you cause he never cared about politics or bothered declaring war. he was just there once in a while and shot at people he wanted to. you always go too far and end up making yourself look stupid. look where we are. you explain the war with TGFT started cause someone has badges. lol
2. about the badges: i bet sieger is laughing his ass off if he reads all this shit. yup he may have tried to buy from yoda but if i read it right he did not succeed. so where do these badges come from?
he may have just tried to get a replacement for the acount he couldn't get into. then he got into it anyway? unlikely? hell. he may have found a paper with the pw on it. i find old pws to old shit all the time. besides that, i quote greenwall: who gives a fuck?
what is illegal&immoral is you insulting and harrassing a player constantly and accusing him of things you cannot prove.
i strongly suggest that you shut up now, not only because it makes you look stupid - also cause if you cannot come up with proof sometime, you belong reported.
sieger likes to make himself seem like he is doing controverse things. i agree he does that too excessively but we're playing a game here. the badge story may just be another trick he pulled to (successfully!) troll you. the developers are not stupid. it takes one click to check the payment history of an account and see if somebody else subbed it before.
3. quit whining about stuff that is solved AND in the past. the plugin has a disclaimer now. no more reason for you to whine.
i think i said it before but you are the ruin of SKV. niki was a better CO than you cause he never cared about politics or bothered declaring war. he was just there once in a while and shot at people he wanted to. you always go too far and end up making yourself look stupid. look where we are. you explain the war with TGFT started cause someone has badges. lol
@Clarisse CCCCC
war with TGFT started cause someone has badges you can't have.
Your dyslexia is becoming serious Clarisse, been licking some frogs on top of your daily meth intake?
Please report me.
war with TGFT started cause someone has badges you can't have.
Your dyslexia is becoming serious Clarisse, been licking some frogs on top of your daily meth intake?
Please report me.
Bojan, no I'm not. TGFT_Utilities has been resolved satisfactorily. They have a disclaimer now and had no problems adding it after the issue was raised. Move the fuck on.
You are incorrect re: badges. Alpha and Beta badges were handed out to anyone who signed up at the time -- regardless of the account holders actual producing on any actual testing out the game. Sieger isn't the only person who (supposedly) played back in Alpha or Beta for a teensy bit of time and then didn't play at all until years later and couldn't recall their original account information. I've encountered multiple people like that over my years playing.
Again, I direct you to some of the niceties Westacular aka Girzim aka SKV Younger and SKV MaxHax had to say about VO development and Guild Software which are far worse than the "attempted" acquisition of a badge:
2013-10-22 18:32:16 100 Girzim mom I think you guys suck
2013-10-22 18:32:33 100 Girzim bunch of cocking sucking puppy raping neglectors
2013-10-22 03:36:20 100 Girzim No I fed up with the mother fucking devs BULLSHIT and cocksucking
2013-10-22 03:36:39 100 Girzim fuck them in the wallet, move it over and fuck their asses too
2013-10-22 03:54:23 100 Girzim fucking devs
2013-10-22 04:03:58 100 Girzim cum swallowing whores
2013-10-22 04:04:49 100 Girzim (the devs)
Which is more ethically and morally reprehensible? "Trying" to get a badge from another account, or calling the devs cum swallowing whores?
According to you, Sieger is a much worse person when comparing the above information. And that's funny.
You are incorrect re: badges. Alpha and Beta badges were handed out to anyone who signed up at the time -- regardless of the account holders actual producing on any actual testing out the game. Sieger isn't the only person who (supposedly) played back in Alpha or Beta for a teensy bit of time and then didn't play at all until years later and couldn't recall their original account information. I've encountered multiple people like that over my years playing.
Again, I direct you to some of the niceties Westacular aka Girzim aka SKV Younger and SKV MaxHax had to say about VO development and Guild Software which are far worse than the "attempted" acquisition of a badge:
2013-10-22 18:32:16 100 Girzim mom I think you guys suck
2013-10-22 18:32:33 100 Girzim bunch of cocking sucking puppy raping neglectors
2013-10-22 03:36:20 100 Girzim No I fed up with the mother fucking devs BULLSHIT and cocksucking
2013-10-22 03:36:39 100 Girzim fuck them in the wallet, move it over and fuck their asses too
2013-10-22 03:54:23 100 Girzim fucking devs
2013-10-22 04:03:58 100 Girzim cum swallowing whores
2013-10-22 04:04:49 100 Girzim (the devs)
Which is more ethically and morally reprehensible? "Trying" to get a badge from another account, or calling the devs cum swallowing whores?
According to you, Sieger is a much worse person when comparing the above information. And that's funny.
People get mad and make insults; that is a lesser offense than conspiring to obtain prestige that they did not legitimately earn. Also, West's insults were pretty lame.
"sieger likes to make himself seem like he is doing controverse things."
@Claire: Then maybe you should stop interfering with his fun, you interfering interferer!
"sieger likes to make himself seem like he is doing controverse things."
@Claire: Then maybe you should stop interfering with his fun, you interfering interferer!
That particular tirade was directed at mom, while mom was online. The devs chose to ignore my many outbursts of frustration at them. I'm guessing because that's the kind of bullshit that flies around 100 all the time. :-P Nice try though. I would like to add that Greenwall was the first player I ever cussed at in game...right after I swarm/railed his swarm/rail rag in B-8 I yelled, "now fuck off!". VO has sailorized my word choice, I'll be the first to admit that!
that is a lesser offense than conspiring to obtain prestige that they did not legitimately earn.
That would only be true in this case if it could be proven that Sieger did not legitimately earn those badges. Such a thing cannot be proven. In fact it seems much more likely that the opposite can be proven, thus the greater offenses (morally and ethically) are the sexually repugnant and graphic insults levied by Westacular, and thus Bojan's argument fails.
/me wins
p.s. -- Wes, this is not about you. It's about Bojan. Defending yourself doesn't affect my arguments.
That would only be true in this case if it could be proven that Sieger did not legitimately earn those badges. Such a thing cannot be proven. In fact it seems much more likely that the opposite can be proven, thus the greater offenses (morally and ethically) are the sexually repugnant and graphic insults levied by Westacular, and thus Bojan's argument fails.
/me wins
p.s. -- Wes, this is not about you. It's about Bojan. Defending yourself doesn't affect my arguments.
Rin said it well, nothing to add to that.
positin' just to get the post #137
beat that!
beat that!
Rin, I was talking to Greenwall. If you don't play I don't care about your opinions about VO or it's players.
West, I know that you're talking to Greenwall and I haven't said anything to you in this thread at all besides the joke I made about the government. Are you sure I'm the author of whatever comment you're responding to? If you're just upset that I found your insults toward Momerath to be unimpressive, well, I don't care whether you care! :P